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		<title>Malaysian IT jobs &#8211; my interview with a recruitment agent</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you're in Malaysia and you're doing software development, it is unlikely that your salary will hit RM7k for 6 years' worth of slavery. This is true whether or not you're a good programmer. (If you're the exception, you can thank your lucky stars)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Malaysian IT workforce is facing a lot of problems now than it used to. No doubt, there are tons of jobs available, but for low-scale jobs like software development and tech support. The types of jobs available now hasn&#8217;t changed much over the last few years, and I doubt it will look any different over the next 5.</p>
<p>The reason is because IT in Malaysia is still fairly new, and hasn&#8217;t gained widespread adoption. At the same time, India and China are really big markets now, because of innovation and a vibrant mix of local and foreign players.</p>
<p>Our IT graduates are focussed mainly on development, not research. We&#8217;re way behind in terms of software &#8211; mainly because there&#8217;s too much emphasis on theory, instead of customers. My base observation is that companies typically use sales and project management staff to deal with customers, so a lot of programmers have zero to little idea of how to develop customer-centric software.</p>
<p>Anyway, I digress. If you&#8217;re in Malaysia and you&#8217;re doing software development, it is <strong>unlikely that your salary will hit RM7k for 6 years&#8217; worth of slavery</strong>. This is true whether or not you&#8217;re a good programmer. (If you&#8217;re the exception, you can thank your lucky stars)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a project manager, 6 years&#8217; worth of slavery might earn you RM6k and above. But then, I assume the work to be firefighting, especially when your software developers are paid peanuts.</p>
<p>Software developers are like the bottom of the food chain. There&#8217;s no glamour, no glory &#8211; and it&#8217;s crowded.</p>
<p>Just so you don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m crazy, I&#8217;m posting my <strong>interview with a recruitment agent from an established Malaysian recruitment company</strong> (ok, they *used* to advertise on the rear end of taxis/cabs). Her job involves hiring local IT grads for Malaysian companies, and she&#8217;s been doing that for the past 3 years.</p>
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<p><strong>LW:</strong> What&#8217;s the average starting pay for a IT fresh grad now?</p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> Average start is around RM1700-1800. <span id="1fxi">But you do have candidates who are good, getting upto Rm2-3K for a Fresh Grad role as well&#8230; but that&#8217;s the highest and rare statistic</span></p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1fxh">rare as in &#8230;. 5%?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1fyg">yup maybe around there&#8230; </span><span id="1fy5">maybe even less</span></p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1fxd">what about [people with] 2 years experience?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1fhs">Average IT person </span>would be [earning] around RM2500? Rm2500-Rm3000 depending.</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1g0v">what are the exceptions?</span> RM4k?</p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1g0x">possibly yes</span>, but usually with 2 years, it shld be around Rm3500. [It] can go up to Rm2.5 &#8211; RM3.5k.</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1g11">ok</span>ay, [what about] 4 years?</p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1fwy">depends what area they are in</span>. What area of IT. <span id="1g00">4 years in the SAME Line without switching (e.g. programming for 4 yrs) would be around RM4K-6K</span>, usually 6K on the high side&#8230; that&#8217;s for people who&#8217;ve moved into project management. So around Rm4-5k. Yeah, around Rm4-5K+ odd</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1fxs">6 years?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1fzl">6 years &#8211; you must ask me in what line. </span>6 years programming? 6 yrs in system support? A bit too general of a question. 6 years&#8230; in all technical? Or 6 years with some managerial experience?</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1fgk">6 yrs software development</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1g06">all software deve</span>lopment &#8211; about&#8230; Rm5-6++ as a programmer&#8230;. I&#8217;d say around Rm5k++, Rm6K onwards would be for a Project Manager etc.</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1fyq">how much does a software developer earn in India, typically?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1g12">Don&#8217;t know about that</span>. Don&#8217;t know Indian rates.</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> I<span id="1g14">f you had children, would you encourage them to do IT? [ed: Sorry, I had to do this. :P ]<br />
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<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1g15">Yes if that&#8217;s their passion.. but they&#8217;d really have to be different from the rest of the people out there&#8230; because </span><span id="1g16">there are too many people with IT degrees&#8230; the ones are gonna make it are the ones who can stand out in terms of skills, competence, and their ability to think differently, </span><span id="1g17">and that includes championing good ideas and having the initiative.</span></p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1g18">Has the IT job outlook improved over the years, or declined?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> O<span id="1g19">utlook for employers or employees?</span></p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1fgs">Both.</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1g25">hmm, </span>for employers, it&#8217;s declined a little&#8230; It&#8217;s getting harder to find the right people nowadays with a good fit in terms of the technical skills and the soft skills desired. Not enough good people in the market, and attracting them to the organization is also another challenge as employees are getting smarter and more demanding.</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1g68">So, it&#8217;s looking better for employees now, than in the past?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> I think there&#8217;s a disparity between what people want out of their careers in IT and what companies here can give them. <span id="1g6b">And as a result of this, people become mercenaries for the higher paying job. </span>The roles of companies for IT in general, aren&#8217;t exactly very mind-blowing, even for managerial positions&#8230;</p>
<p><span id="1g84">So while companies are trying to &#8217;sell&#8217; the organization and the job,  trying to attract job seekers&#8230; it&#8217;s not really working so well </span>because the average job seeker actually wants more than just a support role&#8230; or more than just an implementor role</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1g78">So what do employees really want out of the job these days? If it&#8217;s more than support and implementation?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1g79">aside from more money for rising living costs&#8230; </span>i&#8217;m not really sure, but i think it&#8217;s got to do with a whole new level of a job per se&#8230; more interesting projects, not the run-of-the-mill support roles, or an outsourcing center&#8230;.<span id="1g8d"> maybe new projects involving innovation from scratch.. that&#8217;s designed/planned for here&#8230; something that people feel a sense of belonging.</span></p>
<p>The roles/projects we have here are implementation&#8230; people don&#8217;t identify with that.They never created the work&#8230;. they have no sense of belonging&#8230; and when that happens, you take less pride in what you do.</p>
<p>Hence you move around jobs quicker, if that makes sense.</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1g89">It makes a lot of sense. Do you forsee this scenario to change over the next few years? Malaysia is right in the middle of cheap-software-dev talent pool.</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> <span id="1g8i">No, not in the next few years. </span>Maybe in 10 years?</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1g8q">That&#8217;s a long time, considering that software moves so fast.</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> Haha, there isn&#8217;t much sign of change happening for the big companies. No sign of creation of projects by Malaysians, written by Malaysians&#8230; <span id="1gc6">Don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s because Malaysians have yet to initiate such efforts in the first place, or is it a result of a lack of opportunities to display their abilities. </span>Chicken or egg situation.</p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> <span id="1gbk">Thanks for your time. If you had one advice for local IT grads out there, what would it be?</span></p>
<p><strong>Agent:</strong> M<span id="1gc3">y advice would be to strive to be different &#8211; in terms of ideas, work approach&#8230;.and to ensure they get solid technical experience to back them up.</span></p>
<p><strong>LW:</strong> Sounds good. Thanks again!</p>
<p>[<strong>Interview date:</strong> Monday, June 16, 2008, 1pm]</p>
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		<title>First Post &#8211; Why Leapwalk</title>
		<link>http://www.leapwalking.com/2008/04/22/first-post-why-i-like-to-leapwalk/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>boon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just spent a few minutes watching a video clip of David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH) delivering a speech to some techies for Startup School about &#8220;The Secret to Making Money&#8221;.
The fact that I just said that indicates that I&#8217;m some kind of techie myself, and that this blog is going to be about programming, web [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just spent a few minutes watching a <a href="http://omnisio.com/startupschool08/david-heinemeier-hansson-at-startup-school-08" target="_blank">video clip</a> of David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH) delivering a speech to some techies for <a href="http://startupschool.org/" target="_blank">Startup School</a> about &#8220;The Secret to Making Money&#8221;.</p>
<p>The fact that I just said that indicates that I&#8217;m some kind of techie myself, and that this blog is going to be about programming, web applications, and computer games.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>As much as my tech work pays the bills and that I do have an insatiable desire to solve problems with it, the point of the DHH clip (if you watch it) will summarize some values to which this blog subscribes to.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, it&#8217;s about life. Your life, and mine.</p>
<p>Leapwalking is a term I use to describe how we live that life &#8211; it&#8217;s like walking to get to someplace, but the way in which we walk allows us to arrive at our destination faster or better.</p>
<p>I believe that there are way too many confusing signals in today&#8217;s world. And there&#8217;s just not enough time to consume, let alone process, all of that information. We have but 24 hours to make decisions ranging from what food we eat to what person we should become, and everyone seems to be going in all different directions.</p>
<p>Leapwalking is a way to make a decision about our lives &#8211; in a way that doesn&#8217;t make our neighbors go crazy, in a way that doesn&#8217;t require nuclear reactors or traveling to space or becoming the next President.</p>
<p>If you had a choice to make today, and that small choice to make a difference, that would be enough &#8211; no matter whether that difference would be big or small.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what leapwalking is all about. To conscious effort to make the right choices, with our own abilities and opportunities, and due respect to the people around us.</p>
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